Saturday, February 25, 2012

Here's one for Alfie, perhaps. If there's an English translation of the Koran which is criticised by Muslim clerics as being distorted and misleading, is it still a death-deserving offence to burn it? Or even just pulp it?

My lovely (and talented) South African fellow-blogger, Azra, yesterday asked me whether Spain would follow Greece. Well, here's the opinion of a commentator much more qualified than I am.

Finally . . . The Spanish King's son-in-law has made his initial appearance in court, charged with corruptly diverting government funds to his own companies and thence to offshore bank accounts. To get there he had to run the gamut of jeering, egg-throwing protesters. Which I don't recall ever happening to politicians accused of much greater skulduggery. But, anyway, here's what The Guardian had to say about him:- The sight of the king's son-in-law apparently cashing in on his royal connections has been shocking enough for Spaniards, but the idea that he also allegedly defrauded the exchequer and illegally pocketed public funds has dealt an even greater blow to the monarchy as ordinary Spaniards struggle with 23% unemployment, harsh austerity measures and the prospect of falling back into recession.

9 comments:

Azra said...

Well technically we consider the Qur'an as Gods word verbatim. And since Arabic words may have a range of meanings depending on the context, it is widely agreed that the Quran cannot really be "translated". So all versions outside of the original Arabic are considered mere "interpretations" - as some scholars agree that we may not *FULLY* comprehend / know /understand the meaning behind Gods words in terms of context, era, the changes within the Arabic language over millennia etc. etc. We're left with 80%-90% in the form of "translations" aka "interpretations".

The general consensus amongst REAL Muslims is that people can go ahead and burn the Qur'an if they want to. They'll have to deal with the consequences of their actions and will be judged/punished by The Almighty.

Colin said...

Thanks, Azra. Talking about judgement and punishment, do Muslims believe that all non-Muslims will go to hell? Or is it just those who've been given the chance to convert and rejected it?

Azra said...

Colin, again REAL Muslims know that everyone who "believes" and is a good person (spent their time on earth contributing and uplifting society for the betterment of humankind) will attain Heaven. We believe all the righteous amongst the Jews and Christians will attain Heaven too.
(And likewise, amongst the Orthodox or REAL Jews, they believe that the righteous amongst the Muslims will go to heaven too - in fact, most of them even recognise Muhammed pbuh and his place as a Prophet of God).

It's a fallacy amongst many Muslims who have been mis-informed about non-Muslims going to hell. The argument is that people can only reject the message if they received it... and what would happen to those people in the far corners of the world - say for instance in the Amazon who didn't receive any message... what would happen to them? You can't punish people for something they didn't know. So all in all, it depends on the kind of person you are on earth and your intentions.

Colin said...

Thanks, Azra. What about agnostics and atheists who lead good lives but don't believe and don't follow any religion?

I'm intrigued by your emphasis on REAL Muslims. I can see why you would want to distance yourself from Islamists/fundamentalists but are these the only UNREAL muslims?

Azra said...

For me Fundamentalism is not within the realm of Islam because any type of fanaticism is blatantly Un-Islamic... so when I talk about REAL Muslims I'm talking about people who aren't indoctrinated and influenced by culture. Most people have difficulty distinguishing Culture from Religion especially when it comes to Islam - and therein lies the problem.

As for Agnostics and Atheists, I truly believe to each his own and God for all... as the Quran specifically says:
"لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ ~ To you be your Way, and to me Mine"

"You will not believe in what I believe, I will not believe in what you believe, hence, your faith is with you and my faith is with me. Ergo, no force, no competion, no comparisons......you do what you think is good, I will do what I think is good." (109:1-6)

Colin said...

Thanks again, Azra. That's good to know.

Mike the Traditionalist said...

"Allah has cursed [the Jews] and transformed them into apes and pigs." (Koran 5:60)
"The Jews are covered with humiliation and poverty, and the anger of God is cast upon them." (Sura 2:61)
"Salvation will not come until Muslims kill all the Jews, hiding behind rocks and trees." (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985)

Colin said...

Mike, I was reading some extracts from the Bible (Old Testament) yesterday and they are just as bad, if not worse.

Mike the Traditionalist said...

Colin your questions about religion betray your stance.

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