SPANISH LIFE/CULTURE
An Overview: At the end of this post is an article I found on my phone. I think it's from Justin of Just Landed and was written in 2012. I know I've read it before and I may even have cited it previously but it's worth a second read. I find it hard to disagree with a word of it - as you'll know if you're a regular reader - and I certainly agree with the Conclusion. And most of the Comments. Though not those from the Spaniards who don't know what 'tongue-in-cheek' means and don't recognise the writer's underlying affection for Spain. Worse, these demonstrate the very sensitivity they don't themselves show when it comes to foreigners. It's a fact of life that many of the latter do find the Spanish rather rude at times. And it's also true that - seeing themselves as 'noble' - nothing hurts/annoys the Spanish more than to be told this. So, it needs to be stressed that, when it comes to how you're treated as a stranger (whether Spanish or foreign), everything changes the moment you establish a personal connection. Which can happen via a simple conversation in a bar or restaurant. For this, as in every country, it helps greatly to have learnt the language. That said, not many of those of us who do learn Spanish advance to Catalan, Basque or Gallego. Which can be taken very personally indeed among the more nationalistic of the latter. Happily, these are not usually in the majority even in their own region.
The Time: I've said that Spain changed its clock - to align with Germany's - during Word War 2 and so moved out of its 'correct' zone. And that there's now talk of returning to it. Which seems to be going nowhere, in truth. Meanwhile, the Balearic Islands have proposed staying on permanent summer time but have been slapped down by Madrid. Explaining why Galicia shouldn't be back on its 'correct' Canarian/UK/Portuguese/ Moroccan time, the regional President retorted "I'm Galician, not Portuguese". Which presumably made sense to him. If not to the residents of the Canary Islands. More on the general subject here
A Southern Desert: Global warming, say some, will turn southern Spain into another Sahara. Click here for more on this worrying prediction.
Kids' Kostumes: I thought this sort of (pijo) thing might only happen in Spain but my elder daughter suggests it might be true of Italy as well . . .
The Time: I've said that Spain changed its clock - to align with Germany's - during Word War 2 and so moved out of its 'correct' zone. And that there's now talk of returning to it. Which seems to be going nowhere, in truth. Meanwhile, the Balearic Islands have proposed staying on permanent summer time but have been slapped down by Madrid. Explaining why Galicia shouldn't be back on its 'correct' Canarian/UK/Portuguese/ Moroccan time, the regional President retorted "I'm Galician, not Portuguese". Which presumably made sense to him. If not to the residents of the Canary Islands. More on the general subject here
A Southern Desert: Global warming, say some, will turn southern Spain into another Sahara. Click here for more on this worrying prediction.
Kids' Kostumes: I thought this sort of (pijo) thing might only happen in Spain but my elder daughter suggests it might be true of Italy as well . . .
THE EU
Refugees: There's an article at the end of the post from a columnist with whom I rarely disagree. And I don't this time. A sampler: There has never been a time in human history when there were more agencies and organisations dedicated to the cause of international cooperation and the welfare of the world’s peoples. The idea of moral responsibility, not just to those closest to us, but to the human race at large, has never had a more prominent place in political discourse. And yet, somehow, we are managing to make an absolute mess of this. The august bodies in which so much hope and idealism were invested, the United Nations and the European Union, with their high-flown rhetoric about global accord and delivering the populations of the world from war and want, have been almost entirely useless.
THE UK
Tattoos: If you'd told me as a young man that this would happen, I would probably not have believed you: The Police Federation says 52% of female officers have at least one tattoo, compared to 47% of their male colleagues. With only a third of British adults thought to have tattoos, the greater propensity among police officers is thought to be because many are recruited from the armed forces, where tattoos are popular. Allegedly, the majority of Brits don't mind this.
Refugees: There's an article at the end of the post from a columnist with whom I rarely disagree. And I don't this time. A sampler: There has never been a time in human history when there were more agencies and organisations dedicated to the cause of international cooperation and the welfare of the world’s peoples. The idea of moral responsibility, not just to those closest to us, but to the human race at large, has never had a more prominent place in political discourse. And yet, somehow, we are managing to make an absolute mess of this. The august bodies in which so much hope and idealism were invested, the United Nations and the European Union, with their high-flown rhetoric about global accord and delivering the populations of the world from war and want, have been almost entirely useless.
THE UK
Tattoos: If you'd told me as a young man that this would happen, I would probably not have believed you: The Police Federation says 52% of female officers have at least one tattoo, compared to 47% of their male colleagues. With only a third of British adults thought to have tattoos, the greater propensity among police officers is thought to be because many are recruited from the armed forces, where tattoos are popular. Allegedly, the majority of Brits don't mind this.
GALICIAN STUFF
Salaries: Government employees are generally believed to have far more job security than those in the private sector. Especially in these days of the zero hours contracts which seem to be a feature of most new jobs. And now we learn that the funcionarios here in Galicia earn on average 45% more than their equivalents in the private sector. No wonder everyone here aspires to be one. And that so much money can be made training people for the civil service exams, las oposiciones. Spain's labour market is normally said to have two tiers - the older employees on good contracts and the newer ones facing much greater precariousness. Perhaps the civil servants represent a third - even better - tier. By the way, civil servant salaries in Galicia are reported to be the 3rd lowest in the country. So, you can imagine what private sector salaries are like. Especially when you see jobs openly advertised at below the legal minimum wage.
Salaries: Government employees are generally believed to have far more job security than those in the private sector. Especially in these days of the zero hours contracts which seem to be a feature of most new jobs. And now we learn that the funcionarios here in Galicia earn on average 45% more than their equivalents in the private sector. No wonder everyone here aspires to be one. And that so much money can be made training people for the civil service exams, las oposiciones. Spain's labour market is normally said to have two tiers - the older employees on good contracts and the newer ones facing much greater precariousness. Perhaps the civil servants represent a third - even better - tier. By the way, civil servant salaries in Galicia are reported to be the 3rd lowest in the country. So, you can imagine what private sector salaries are like. Especially when you see jobs openly advertised at below the legal minimum wage.
LOCAL STUFF
The weather: The end of October and my daughter visiting from cold, grey Madrid went to the beach yesterday. And will go again today. AGW can't be all bad, then.
The weather: The end of October and my daughter visiting from cold, grey Madrid went to the beach yesterday. And will go again today. AGW can't be all bad, then.
THE GALLERY
Another cartoon, in honour of Pontevedra's legion of beggars:
Another cartoon, in honour of Pontevedra's legion of beggars:
THE CORRUPTION
CAVALCADE
ARTICLES
1. The Spaniards.
Everything you need to know for dealing with the locals.
Who are the Spanish?
What are they like? Let’s take a candid and totally prejudiced look
at the Spanish people, tongue firmly in cheek, and hope they forgive
my flippancy or that they don’t read this bit.
A typical Spaniard is
courteous, proud, enthusiastic, undisciplined, tardy, temperamental,
independent, gregarious, noisy, honest, noble, individualistic,
boisterous, jealous, possessive, colourful, passionate, spontaneous,
sympathetic, fun-loving, creative, sociable, demonstrative,
irritating, generous, cheerful, polite, unreliable, honourable,
optimistic, impetuous, flamboyant, idiosyncratic, quick-tempered,
arrogant, elegant, irresponsible, anaficionado, hedonistic,
contradictory, an anarchist, informal, self-opinionated, corrupt,
indolent, frustrating, vulgar, voluble, helpful, friendly, sensitive,
a traditionalist, insolent, humorous, fiery, warm-hearted,
chauvinistic, bureaucratic, dignified, kind, loyal, extroverted,
tolerant, macho, frugal, self-possessed, unabashed, quarrelsome,
partisan, a procrastinator, scandal-loving, articulate, a bon
viveur, inefficient, conservative, nocturnal, hospitable, spirited,
urbanised, lazy, confident, sophisticated, political, handsome,
chaotic and a football fanatic.
You may have noticed that the above list contains ‘a few’
contradictions (as does life in Spain), which is hardly surprising as
there’s no such thing as a typical Spaniard. Apart from the
differences in character between the inhabitants of different
regions, such as Andalusia, the Basque Country, Catalonia, Galicia
and Madrid, the population also includes a potpourri of foreigners
from all corners of the globe. Even in appearance, fewer and fewer
Spaniards match the popular image of short, swarthy and dark, and the
indigenous population includes blondes, brunettes and redheads.
Although not nearly as
marked or rigidly defined as the British or French class systems,
Spain has a complex class structure. The top drawer of Spain’s
aristocrats are the 400 or so grandees, who are followed at a
respectable distance by myriad minor nobles, all of whom tend to keep
to themselves and remain aloof from the hoi polloi. Next in pecking
order are the middle class professionals, the lower middle class
white-collar workers, the blue-collar working class and the peasant
underclass.
These are followed by
assorted foreigners, a few of whom have been elevated to the status
of ‘honorary’ Spaniards (usually after around 100 years’
residence). At the bottom of the heap, below even the despised
drunken tourists, are the gypsies (gitanos), Spain’s true
aristocrats. Gypsies are treated as lepers by many Spaniards (except
when they’re celebrated flamenco artists or bullfighters) and are
even less desirable as neighbours than theMoros (Moroccans).
Spaniards are often
disparaging about their compatriots from other regions. Nobody
understands the Basques and their tongue-twister of a language, the
Galicians are derided as being more Portuguese than Spanish, and the
Andalusians are scorned as backward peasants. However, the most
widespread antagonism is between the cities of Madrid and Barcelona,
whose inhabitants argue about everything, including the economy
sport, history, politics, culture and language. Catalans claim
that Madrileñosare half African, to which they reply that it’s
better than being half French. However, although they’re proud of
their regional identity, most Spanish aren’t nationalists or
patriotic and have little loyalty to Spain as a whole.
Most Spaniards live in
harmony with the foreign population, although many foreigners
(colloquially dubbed guiris, from the word guirigay meaning
gibberish) live separate lives in tourist ‘ghettos’, a million
miles away from the ‘real’ Spain. The Spanish don’t consider
the concrete jungles of the Costa del Sol, Costa Blanca, Majorca and
parts of the Canaries to be part of Spain, but a plastic paradise
created for and by foreigners so that pasty-faced tourists can fry in
the sun and get drunk on cheap booze.
However, although the
Spanish aren’t generally xenophobic, they’re becoming more racist
and many would happily eject the gypsies, Arabs and North Africans
from their country. They don’t care much for the Portuguese either,
who are the butt of their jokes (when they aren’t about the
Andalusians)[or the Gallegos]. It’s an honour for a foreigner to be
invited to a Spaniard’s home, although it’s one rarely granted.
Nevertheless, Spaniards do occasionally marry foreigners, much to the
distress of their parents.
Usually when Spaniards
and foreigners come into contact (conflict), it concerns official
business and results in a profusion of confrontations and
misunderstandings (few foreigners can fathom the Spanish psyche) and
does little to cement relations. Spain has among the most stifling
(and over-staffed) bureaucracy in Western Europe (even worse than the
French!) and any encounter with officialdom is a test of endurance
and patience. Official offices (if you can find the right one) often
open only for a few hours on certain days of the week; the person
dealing with your case is always absent; you never have the right
papers (or your papers and files have disappeared altogether); the
rules and regulations have changed (again) and queues are
interminable (take along a copy of Don Quixote to help pass
the time). It’s all part of a conspiracy to ensure that foreigners
cannot find out what’s going on (and will hopefully therefore pay
more taxes, fines, fees, etc.).
Official inefficiency
has been developed to a fine art in Spain, where even paying a bill
or using the postal service (a world-class example of ineptitude) is
an ordeal. The Spanish are generally totally disorganised and the
only predictable thing about them is their unpredictability. They
seldom plan anything (if they do, the plans will be changed or
abandoned at the last moment), as one of the unwritten ‘rules’ of
Spanish life is its spontaneity. Spain has been described as part
advanced high-tech nation and part banana republic, where nothing and
nobody works.
Almost as infuriating
as the bumbling bureaucracy is the infamous mañana syndrome,
where everything is possible (no problema) ‘tomorrow’ – which
can mean later, much later, some time, the day after tomorrow, next
week, next week, next month, next year or never – but never, ever
tomorrow (the Spaniard’s motto is ‘never do today what you can
put off until mañana’). When a workman says he will come at
11 o’clock, don’t forget to ask which day, month and year he has
in mind. Workmen (especially plumbers) don’t usually keep
appointments and, if they do deign to make an appearance, they’re
invariably late (and won’t have the right tools or spares anyway).
The Spanish are good at starting things but not so good at finishing
them (hence the numerous abandoned building sites in Spain).
The Spanish are
dismissive of time constraints and have no sense of urgency, treating
appointments, dates, opening hours, timetables and deadlines with
disdain (it’s said that the only thing that begins on time in Spain
is a bullfight). If you really need something done by a certain date,
never tell a Spaniard your real deadline. It’s significant,
however, that the Spanish have a much lower incidence of
stress-related disease than north Europeans, which is somewhat
surprising in the noisiest country in Europe and the second loudest
in the world (after Japan).
Over half the
inhabitants of Spanish cities endure noise levels well in excess of
the World Health Organisation’s ‘healthy’ limit of 65 decibels.
Most noise is caused by traffic, lustily supported by pneumatic
drills, jack hammers, chain-saws, mopeds (usually without silencers),
car horns, alarms, sirens, radios, televisions,fiestas, fireworks,
car and home music systems, discos, bars, restaurants, incessantly
barking dogs, loud neighbours, screaming children and people singing
in the streets.
In Spain, a normal conversation is two people shouting at each other
from a few feet apart (not surprisingly, Spaniards are terrible
listeners). Spanish cities are the earthly equivalent of Dante’s
hell, where inhabitants are subjected to endless noise. Maybe
creating a din is the Spanish way of releasing tension? Spaniards
don’t care to waste time sleeping (except in the afternoons) when
they can party and cannot see why anyone else should want to.
Spanish men are world
champion hedonists and are mainly interested in five things: sex,
football, food, alcohol and gambling (not necessarily in that order).
The main preoccupation of the Spanish is having a good time and they
have a zest for life matched by few other peoples. They take childish
pleasure in making the most of everything and grasp every opportunity
to make merry. The Spanish are inveterate celebrants and, when not
attending a fiesta, family celebration or impromptu party, are
to be found in bars and restaurants indulging in another of their
favourite pastimes: eating and drinking.
Spaniards have a
passion for food, which consists largely ofpaella and tapas and
is always swimming in garlic and olive oil. Like the French, they eat
all the objectionable bits of animals that ‘civilised’ people
throw away (e.g. pigs’ ears and bulls’ testicles) and will eat
any creatures of the deep, the more revolting-looking the better
(e.g. octopus and squid). They’re particularly fond of baby food
(baby suckling pig, baby lamb, baby octopus), which is preferable to
‘grown-up’ food as it’s easier to fit into the ubiquitous
frying pan (when not eaten raw, like their ham, all food is fried in
Spain). Contrary to popular opinion, the Spanish are a nation of
animal lovers: they will eat anything that moves. They do, however,
have an unsavoury habit (at least most foreigners think so) of
‘playing’ with their food and can often be seen chasing their
steak around a ring before dinner (¡Olé!).
When not eating (or
playing guitars or flamenco dancing), the Spanish are allegedly
having sex – Spanish men have a reputation as great lovers,
although their virility isn’t confirmed by the birth rate, which is
one of the lowest in the world. In any case, most of their conquests
are drunken tourists (only too keen to jump into the sack with
anything in trousers), so their reputation doesn’t bear close
scrutiny. (A recent survey found that the average Spaniard makes love
badly and infrequently: just 71 times a year compared with the world
average of 109 – how do they know these things?) Their macho image
has taken a further pounding in recent years as women have stormed
most male bastions and today are as likely to be found in the
university, office, factory, professions or the government, as in the
home or the church.
Most Spaniards are
anarchists and care little for rules and regulations, generally doing
what they want when they want, particularly regarding motoring
(especially parking), smoking in public places, the dumping of
rubbish and paying taxes. Paradoxically they’ve taken to democracy
like ducks to water and are passionate Europeans, firmly believing in
a united Europe and the euro (so would you if you’d had to put up
with the peseta!). However, like most sensible people they care
little for their politicians, whose standing has plummeted to new
lows in the last decade following a spate of corruption scandals.
The Spanish are
sensitive to criticism, particularly regarding their history and
traditions. Whatever you do, don’t ask an old man ‘what he did in
the Civil War’ or mention Franco, the Falklands or Gibraltar.
Spaniards are intolerant of other people’s views; criticism of
Spain is reserved for the Spanish (who do it constantly) and isn’t
something to be indulged in by ignorant foreigners.
Since throwing off the
shackles of dictatorship in 1975, Spain has resolutely turned its
back on the past and embraced the future with gusto. In the last
quarter of a century, the country has undergone a transformation
influencing every facet of life. However, although most changes have
been for the better, many people believe that the soul of traditional
Spain has been lost in the headlong rush towards economic
development.
The modern Spaniard is more materialistic than his forebears and has
taken to the art of making a fast buck as quickly as any North
American immigrant ever did. Progress has, however, been purchased at
a high cost and has led to a sharp increase in crime, drug addiction,
alcoholism, poverty, begging, and the devastation of unspoilt areas
by developers hell-bent on smothering the country in concrete and
golf courses. Despite being hard hit by the recession in the ’90s,
the country has made a strong recovery in recent years and has one of
the most promising outlooks of any EU country.
To conclude
Despite the country’s
problems, the Spanish enjoy one of the best lifestyles (and quality
of life) of any European country and, indeed, any country in the
world; in Spain work fits around social and family life, not vice
versa. The foundation of Spanish society is the family and community,
and the Spanish are noted for their close family ties, their love of
children and care for the elderly (who are rarely abandoned in
nursing homes). Spain has infinitely more to offer than its wonderful
climate and rugged beauty and is celebrated for its arts and crafts,
architecture, fashion, night-life, music, dance, gastronomy, design,
sports facilities, culture, education, health care and technical
excellence in many fields.
For sheer vitality and
passion for life the Spanish have few equals, and whatever Spain can
be accused of it’s never dull or boring. Few other countries offer
such a wealth of intoxicating experiences for the mind, body and
spirit (and not all out of a bottle!). But the real glory of Spain
lies in the outsize heart and soul of its people, who are among the
most convivial, generous and hospitable in the world. If you’re
willing to learn Spanish (or at least make an effort) and embrace
Spain’s traditions and way of life, you will invariably be warmly
received by the natives, most of whom will go out of their way to
welcome and help you. Spain is highly addictive and, while expats may
occasionally complain, the vast majority wouldn’t dream of leaving
and infinitely prefer life in Spain to their home countries. Put
simply, Spain is a great place to live (provided you don’t have to
do business there).
¡Vivan los
españoles! ¡Viva España!
This article is an
extract from Living and Working in Spain.
John Mortimer
Total trash.
This is a ridiculous article, none of it is
true. I am a resident of Spain and disagree with every part of this
rubbish, obviously the writer has never even visited!
male
REPORT.
I agree with John, Yo don´t know at all Spanish
people, at least the north of my country. It is a pity article,,,, en
otras palabras no tienes ni idea de como somos los españoles, por
favor, ,,,, NO GENERALICES ASI
Snopes
Alt least the north? So
the south does match with the rubish this ignorant wrote? Eres tan
ignorante como él entonces.
Jessey
Very Well Written
Article. I think your article is
great because it tells it like it is...both the good and the bad.
Every country has its good points and its bad points and people
should grow up instead of getting offended. I saw all of those exact
same patterns when I lived there for 2 years. That is exactly how I
saw the country as well coming from a North American perspective. I
grew up a certain way and so, upon moving to Spain those same things
really stood out to me as well. I don't understand why Spaniards get
so mad at any little criticism about their country when they do the
same thing constantly. They love to criticize other countries and say
that Spain is the best in every way. So, they should be able to take
it when other cultures criticize theirs. Its called maturity people.
Relax and realize that NONE of our countries are perfect yet we ALL
have wonderful beautiful things about our cultures as well. No
country or people is any better than any other. We are all just
people living in this world together.
Creo que tu artículo está bien escrito porque lo cuenta tal como es…lo bueno y lo malo. Cada país tiene sus cosas buenas y sus cosas malas y la gente necesita madurar en vez de estar ofendida. Yo vi los mismos patrones cuando viví dos años en España. Es exactamente como me parecía el país desde una perspectiva norteamericana. Crecí de una manera distinta entonces al mudarme a España las mismas cosas me llamaron mucho la atención. No entiendo porque se enfadan tanto los españoles por un poco de crítica sobre su país cuando ellos hacen lo mismo constantemente cuando hablan de otras culturas. Les encanta criticar a otros países y decir que España es lo mejor en cada sentido. Entonces, deberían ser capaces de aguantarlo cuando otras culturas critican a los suyos, si no es un poco hipócrita, no? Se llama madurez gente. Reléjense y dense cuenta de que NINGUNOS de nuestros países son perfectos pero también que tenemos TODOS cosas bonitas y maravillosas sobre nuestras culturas también. Ningún país ni gente es mejor que cualquier otro. Nada más somos gente viviendo juntos en este mundo.
Caroline
Beware the Spanish
male's need for total authority and dominance
On May 1st, 2012, I was
sitting in a dining room and overheard a conversation between several
adult couples from Canada, America, and Germany. ALL of them has
suffered from the same treatment is Barcellona and that involved
sitting for hours in restaurants and waiting for service or food
while local patrons were well catered to. I joined in the
conversation stating that we had shared the same type of experience
the previous night and when I complained to management (after 80
minutes), he asked me if I had ordered in Spanish. I respectfully
responded that I was most limited in Spanish as Canadians spoke
English and/or French primarily and I added that the waiter had
interacted with us and I was confident he understood the order.
Within minutes, all of our courses were dropped on the table( cold
and piled one next to the other as it was a table for two. We left
the restaurant and did not pay the bill which was well over a hundred
Euros. I told him to call the authorities if he wished but he
declined. The hostess walked us to the door and said there is a great
deal of anger towards tourists, especially women who appear
affluent!!! In this economy, how can they possibly develop such a
mind-set??? We found a lovely place nearby and had a very late but
enjoyable dinner. Avoid places on Avenidad Diagonale as several had
nasty experiences.
Valerie
Trip to Spain cancelled
for 2013
After witnessing
violence is prominent restaurant between staff, being ignored as
patrons in other establishments, and discussing very negative
experiences that dozens of other tourists had been subjected to in
several Barcellona restaurants, we shortened our trip last week ,
returned to Canada, and cancelled our accommodations for April- May
2013 in Marbella, Barcellona, and Madrid.
Steve
"Maleducados":
I agree with most of what you said. I have been
living in Spain for 8 years and have met very few "polite"
Spaniards. I think the term "maleducados" fits. Very proud
and insular.
Manuel
No estoy de acuerdo
Todo esto es una basura
de artículo.
There are many types of spaniards. This is a typical vision of a arrogant british.
There are many types of spaniards. This is a typical vision of a arrogant british.
andreas
pais de retrasados
The main problem with
the spaniards is still their unbelievable arrogance and complete lack
of manners towards any person they don't know. The last 10 years I've
visited the country on a bi-monthly basis, and it's just shocking to
see that despite the billions of european funds poured into their
systems, the inhabitants remain as backwards as ever... Whereas they
believe themselves to be at the top of Europe. PS a typical
phenomenon I see also in the reactions here... the spaniards have to
react in spanish of course
Meg
Too unfair to
generalize
I also disagree. People
everywhere are much more understanding when you speak their language.
It's only human. It's also understandable that tourists would be
offended. We forget how the same situation might be in our own
culture. I'm sure plenty of non-English speaking Japanese tourists
also think the British are rude. Of course, I've heard that in
Britain people can be very outgoing and friendly even if their dog
died and their mother is on her way. In Spain you also meet friendly
people but it's more often the case if you find the person in a good
mood that day. They value expressing their true feelings because they
see it as honest. Besides, from that perspective, everyone else
should understand that not everyone has a good day and shouldn't hold
it against Spain. These feelings are probably heightened around
tourists when the economy is like it is.
Jessica
So right:
The article is right, Spanish people are rude
and do not consider the language barrier that the tourists have, very
inefficient and absolutely no organisation, i should know as i am an
Erasmus student here and nothing is ever going right. So yes i agree
totally with thsi article.
Pablo
Who's rude?
If you think spaniards are rude, don't come, as
easy as that. But if you ever come, don't leave your manners at your
country, because the most part of tourists, when they arrive at
Spain, they lose their manners, for example, when you do what you
know in a corner or in the middle of the street because you have get
so so so drunk you can't stand on your feet. If you're so polite, why
do you do that? Don't deny it, any spaniard who watch tv ONCE a
MONTH, especially at summer, will know this.
Asi que quereis enseñarnos algo, predicad con el ejemplo.
So, WHO'S RUDE?
Asi que quereis enseñarnos algo, predicad con el ejemplo.
So, WHO'S RUDE?
Martin
It´s all in good fun
Spaniards.
Spain is a great country, as a Britton who´s
basically grown up here I can confirm, I agree with almost everything
said in the `To Conclude´ section. Lifestyle wise it is better that
Britain and many other countries, even though Spain are now having
their economic problems and all.
But I also agree with many parts of the article, and I found some bits hilarious. I used to hate Spain not that many years ago because of some of the things, mentioned here, but I have overcome these things and now like it quite a lot. However there is one thing about Spain that is just annoying to the core: It´s the way that they are the best, their sportsmen, are the best, their food is the best, their culture is the best, etc, and they will boast about these fake ideals with real pride (not all Spaniards, but many) and if you happen to be a foreigner they will still say it to your face too which is both untrue and rude. I am amazed at how many sportsmen (champions even) who are not Spanish are actually crap (or so they say) in the eyes of Spaniards when their athletes are the best. Also when talking about food they will say "You won´t eat anywhere like in Spain" which is complete patriotic bullshit IMO. There are plenty of places that have to be as good as Spain in many aspects (food of all of them, something so universal ...) or else half the planet would live in the peninsula.
All of this wouldn´t be so bad if the Spanish people (who may have previously rubbished your country) took anything anyone says about their great country with HUGE OFFENCE (as you can see here)
So calm down, no os ofendais por una pagina web que dice cosas parecidas de unos 30 paises, these descriptions are mostly hyperboles, I myself have read the US and UK ones already and laughed a lot there too. Peace. Paz
2. Narcissistic guilt in the West is creating the lawless chaos of the migration crisis Janet Daley
But I also agree with many parts of the article, and I found some bits hilarious. I used to hate Spain not that many years ago because of some of the things, mentioned here, but I have overcome these things and now like it quite a lot. However there is one thing about Spain that is just annoying to the core: It´s the way that they are the best, their sportsmen, are the best, their food is the best, their culture is the best, etc, and they will boast about these fake ideals with real pride (not all Spaniards, but many) and if you happen to be a foreigner they will still say it to your face too which is both untrue and rude. I am amazed at how many sportsmen (champions even) who are not Spanish are actually crap (or so they say) in the eyes of Spaniards when their athletes are the best. Also when talking about food they will say "You won´t eat anywhere like in Spain" which is complete patriotic bullshit IMO. There are plenty of places that have to be as good as Spain in many aspects (food of all of them, something so universal ...) or else half the planet would live in the peninsula.
All of this wouldn´t be so bad if the Spanish people (who may have previously rubbished your country) took anything anyone says about their great country with HUGE OFFENCE (as you can see here)
So calm down, no os ofendais por una pagina web que dice cosas parecidas de unos 30 paises, these descriptions are mostly hyperboles, I myself have read the US and UK ones already and laughed a lot there too. Peace. Paz
2. Narcissistic guilt in the West is creating the lawless chaos of the migration crisis Janet Daley
Let’s stop accusing
each other of lack of compassion, shall we? If we are sincerely
interested in finding a solution to this horrendous migration crisis,
then hurling insults is not going to help. Compassion is the
beginning of this discussion, not the end. We all start from there.
The next question should be: what would constitute a humane and just
outcome?
Can I establish my
credentials at the start, in the hopes of avoiding just the sort of
incendiary fulmination that is wasting so much time and energy? I am
the grandchild of refugees who fled from persecution and genocide in
the last century. As such, I have pretty much limitless sympathy for
those who are doing so today. I also believe that human progress is
largely a story of the migration of peoples.
I am particularly
favourable to the idea of economic migration: it is a testimony to
individual courage, fortitude and endeavour and almost inevitably
results in greater prosperity for the countries and populations which
accept it. None of what follows should be seen in any way as a
repudiation of those views. On the contrary, what I am asking for is
a proper argument rather than a phoney one.
In the midst of all the
shrill noise, there is scarcely any useful conversation taking place
about what is happening and how we might deal with it. This is quite
extraordinary considering that there has never been a time in human
history when there were more agencies and organisations dedicated to
the cause of international cooperation and the welfare of the world’s
peoples. The idea of moral responsibility, not just to those closest
to us, but to the human race at large, has never had a more prominent
place in political discourse.
And yet, somehow, we
are managing to make an absolute mess of this. The august bodies in
which so much hope and idealism were invested, the United Nations and
the European Union, with their high-flown rhetoric about global
accord and delivering the populations of the world from war and want,
have been almost entirely useless. Nothing has slowed, or even
adequately dealt with, the millions displaced by war, and the further
millions who are, as they say, just “seeking a better life”.
Any proper moral debate
must establish some basic premises. Otherwise we end up where we are:
talking at cross purposes. It would be useful to get right down to
the most fundamental questions.
What is the desirable
end result? Do we believe that it is an unalloyed good thing to
encourage huge tranches of poor or endangered people to abandon their
own countries and settle, almost certainly permanently, in the rich
parts of the world? Given that these migrants are likely to be among
the strongest, healthiest, most highly motivated individuals in their
unfortunate home countries, wouldn’t it be plausible to describe
the diaspora as an abandonment of those who are most disadvantaged?
Because the truth is that the men – and there is a great
preponderance of young men – who arrive on Europe’s shores with
smartphones having had enough cash to pay the people traffickers are
not generally the most deprived or the most deserving of compassion.
In the Calais Jungle
evacuation, it became clear that children had been left behind in the
scrum, and the voluntary workers who had real knowledge of who was
most needy were scarcely being consulted. It is a fairly sound
assumption that men between the ages of 18 and 30 are in less
potential danger than women and children under most circumstances –
and that girls are in the greatest danger. It is surely those left
behind in the hell holes created by civil war and despotism, who do
not have the wherewithal or the insane willingness to risk their
lives and those of their families, who should be the first in line
for generosity.
It is precisely because
the rich Western nations, awash in their narcissistic guilt about the
visible crisis, have had no rational plan or discussion that those
hapless people have been left out of the equation almost entirely.
When Britain proposed taking families from the refugee camps on the
Syrian border rather than illegally trafficked migrants from Greece
and Italy, this was roundly condemned in the European Union as pure
cynicism and a refusal to meet our obligations.
What they meant was
that it was unhelpful to the EU, whose chaotic handling of
uncontrolled mass migration had got completely out of hand. In all
the breast-beating and mutual recrimination, there has been almost no
consideration of the consequences of this movement of the able-bodied
and relatively affluent (with enough money to pay for their
transport) out of what used to be called the Third World. What will
become of those left to their fate among marauding warlords? It might
be argued that we in the West have a greater responsibility for them
since it was often our interventions that destabilised their
countries.
There has not even been
the universally agreed global action on the people-smuggling industry
that should, by rights, be comparable to the slave trade in
international ignominy.
In fact, dreadful as it
is to have to say this, the charities whose ships wait just off the
coast of Libya to pick up the smugglers’ desperate passengers could
be described as aiding and abetting the crime. Stamping out this
wicked trafficking in human life should be among the top priorities
in the migrant crisis. At the very least, one would have expected the
UN and the EU to have agreed on an effective programme of action for
eliminating it, rather than simply “condemning” it and then
picking up the detritus left in its wake.
So where does this
leave us? Unfortunately, history is not much help. The United States,
famously “a nation of immigrants”, is not a useful model. When my
grandparents arrived at the turn of the twentieth century, there was
an established and rigorous procedure at Ellis Island – and it was
not the unbounded open door that sentimental Europeans might think.
No one could be
admitted to the US mainland from the island reception centre who
might prove to be, as the rules put it, “a charge upon the state”
either through mental unfitness or ill health. (Because my
grandmother’s cousin had measles, the whole family was held in the
quarantine centre until she was deemed non-infectious.) Perhaps more
surprisingly, prospective migrants were not permitted to have
pre-arranged jobs. This was to prevent the importation of cheap
labour gangs into the country: if you wanted to come in, you had to
take your chances for survival with the indigenous population. There
would be no state support and no employment stitch-up.
The system was designed
to stress independence and resourcefulness. Modern European societies
with their extensive welfare provision and employment protection laws
are a world away from this mentality. And, of course, those European
entrants had paid for legal sea passages in steerage: they were not
fodder for smuggling gangs. This was a well-supervised operation with
rules and regulations, not lawless chaos. Now the US is deeply
troubled by the sort of migration that is much harder to control:
from Mexico and points south, the border with which (no matter what
Donald Trump claims) is impossible to police. The lesson is,
unsurprisingly, that there may not be easy solutions to this great
mass movement of peoples but there are worse and better ways of
dealing with the political pressures that it raises.
It is imperative that
decisions are made – and stuck to – about what “dealing with
migration” should mean: about what we want the end result to be.
Otherwise it will remain a brutal fight to the front of the queue for
those who may not be most deserving, and a collapse of trust in
government and the rule of law which could undermine the most
compassionate intentions.
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